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Gerben Wierda's avatar

To me, as an amateur in this debate, it seems that Adam Smith's warning that the drive of entrepreneurs is about *personal* advantage (profit), not *society's* advantage, remains valid.

It is not just about distributing that wealth, because what we want is more than just economic value.

In the end, the primacy of markets (entrepreneurs, the profit-drive) has taken over from the primacy of ethics thanks to an over-reliance on commercial markets to optimise results. It has become 'value' over 'values'. There is a fundamental problem with trying to get 'values' when a single 'value' has become the single most important one. And it is also not true that markets are always the most efficient (have a look at health care across the world and especially the US), the profits being siphoned off can make the overall result very inefficient from the perspective of society (not from the perspective of those siphoning off the profits, which brings us back to Uncle Adam).

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Philip Koop's avatar

When you first study physics, you take the product of 3-dimensional Euclidean space and 1-dimensional Euclidean time to be the background for the universe and everything in it. Contra Aristotle, not only can vacuum exist, it is ontologically prior to everything else. When you move on to special relativity, you amend this geometry to 3+1 Minkowski space, but it remains the background taken as a given by quantum field theories (although we've changed our minds a bit about vacua.) But that is not how general relativity works; there space and time are dynamical relations between objects, each influencing the other according to Einstein's equation

By now you've probably sussed where I'm going with this. The relationship between wealth and power is of the second type. Wealth begets power and power begets wealth; therefore you cannot take either as a fixed background with which to analyse the other. That is a serious problem for a project which hopes to first optimize wealth and then redistribute it, because the redistribution step is inherently political and political relations are not a stable property of the system. In fact, with enough concentration of power, it becomes easier just to collect rents than to create wealth by innovating, and there are both theoretical and empirical reasons to believe that unconstrained wealth creation leads to unconstrained wealth concentration. Why should I take seriously someone whose main critique of his opponents is that they don't consider economic trade-offs if he is unwilling to contemplate political trade-offs?

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