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Philip Koop's avatar

One salient point of difference is that the Republicans would have America retreat from a position of great strength; preventing the future requires denying the past. The contrast with the triumphalism of the Reagan years is very marked; they are re-litigating the Cold War to make Muscovy the victors, re-fighting WWII so that they may surrender to the Nazis, and they clearly harbour ambitions of losing to the Confederates as well. Perhaps they will find virtues in King George after all.

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I'm (half) Irish-American, representing several waves of em/immigration, most recently my paternal grandmother--born in Ireland in 1900, came to the US in 1923. A lot of what I know about present-day Ireland comes from We Don't Know Ourselves, by Fintan O'Toole, which dovetails with what you're saying.

I assume that, like O'Toole, Garvin talks about how crucial emigration was to keeping Ireland rural and poor for so long. The future could be prevented because it was outsourced, to America (and England, and Australia). The Church could mandate a (theoretically) high-birth-rate society without the result being a society with a growing population. On the contrary: the population of the Republic stayed extremely stable until around 1970--much more stable than if it was just a function of +births-deaths.

Vance's and the tradcaths' vision is of a closed, medievalesque society, but it's, as you say, at least partly based on Holy Catholic Ireland, one of the leakiest societies *ever*, a society that only kept going as long as it did because it was so leaky. Somehow I doubt they recognize that.

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