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Eric Schwartz's avatar

I did read both columns, and I think your points are well taken. One reason I read Douthat is because he's intelligent, but he comes from a different perspective. I don't always agree with Ezra Klein but I think his points in this column are quite sound. I liked his referral back to the understanding of liberalism as inherently tied to tolerance. We need more of that - all the way around. Tolerance not for hateful behavior, but for different perspectives and values.

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Nicholas Weininger's avatar

I'd reframe the problem Ezra is trying to solve as:

How do we find as much common ground as possible, and where and how do we need to agree to disagree, in order to build a durable anti-fascist supermajority? How do we get ourselves out of the appalling situation where, despite (gestures around exasperatedly) everything, close to 40% of Americans still approve of Trump?

If the Democratic Party is the only viable vehicle for building that supermajority, as it may well be for the rest of this decade, then this reduces to Ezra's framing. If Drutman is right, then an alternative vehicle is cultivating an ecosystem of third parties who vigorously represent very different policy views but will vote together on anti-fascism. If Bednar is right, then federalism is a key enabling technology for the "agree to disagree" part.

I don't know the answer to any of these "if"s. But I do think anti-fascist efforts would be more productive if they focused on the "supermajority building by whatever means" problem. Because that's the nut of the hard work:

-- first, allying with very ideologically varied people, from socialists to Never Trump conservatives and wavering/persuadable Trump supporters, on as large a principled liberal core as we can enthusiastically support together and as *at least two-thirds* of the public can be persuaded to strongly support.

-- and second, coming up with a modus vivendi for disagreeing civilly and democratically amongst that group of allies, on all the really important and understandably emotional issues, from abortion to immigration to trans rights to climate to policing etc etc etc, where we are simply not going to get that broad a consensus in this generation.

Everything else must be downstream of that, because without that we don't have a viable path out of the present horror: at best we have a path to clawing our way to another 51% victory for two or four years' partial respite. Or so it seems to me.

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